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There's Something Familiar About This Steak... Is It A Clone?

At News 4 we have been reporting on the FDA's ruling that beef, milk and pork from cloned animals are safe to eat.  What happens next is a bit murky...

None of the San Antonio grocery stores we checked with have any plans to sell cloned products, and even the major food companies say they won't be selling the cloned variety.

But now that the FDA has given its blessing, it is only a matter of time until this stuff starts making its way into the food supply.

What people like me find so troubling is the fact producers would not be required to clearly label it cloned, so I can choose whether I want to buy it or not.

I don't care what studies you claim to have done, if you want to hide the origin of something while selling it to me, that is a huge red flag.  What are they afraid of?

And I agree with consumer groups, this government approval came awfully fast... how could they know the long term effects of eating cloned foods?

I'm sure feeding cattle meal containing bits of dead sheep sounded like a perfectly safe idea at one time, and what did that lead to?  Mad cow scares that still haunt the industry.

I've already made the expensive switch to organic milk... I guess I will start paying $10 plus for organic beef.  At least I will know what I'm buying.

What do you think, fellow carnivores?

 

 

Published Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:53 PM by Jaie Avila

Comments

 

nb said:

I think we have the right to know if it's cloned or not, I don't care if stores sell it, but I do think that it should be mandatory that they label the food if in fact it did come from a cloned animal
January 22, 2008 10:18 PM
 

MG said:

The day stores carry cloned meat is going to be the day my family becomes  vegetarians.
January 22, 2008 10:19 PM
 

Kenn said:

This is ridiculous.
The cloning procedure doesnt do anything to alter the dna of the animal. It doesnt introduce any different chemicals. It really isnt THAT much different than in vitro fertilization except instead of mixing sperm and egg and implanting it in the womb, they inject DNA into an empty egg and implant it into the animals womb.

We are not talking about vats of cows growing in a line of incubation chambers. Your talking a cow with the same genetic makeup as its parent clone. They arent any different. They wont taste different and they dont have an different biological or chemical makeup.

Whats the big deal?
January 22, 2008 10:20 PM
 

Melissa said:

As for me and my family, we will not eat meat or drink milk from cloned animals.  I feel the FDA has rushed their decision because of substantial pressure from lobbyists.  We can only hope that they do label the products as coming from a cloned animal, so that we can avoid it.

January 22, 2008 10:21 PM
 

Shelley Cook said:

I have no problem eating meat that is an offspring of a cloned animal.  I would hesitate to eat the cloned animal itself, but with the cost of cloning I don't expect to encounter that kind of product on store shelves for quite some time, if ever.  

Let the farmers used cloned stock for breeding and take the heat off of them for doing so.  As long as my FOOD ultimately comes from two sets of DNA, I'm fine with it.
January 22, 2008 10:22 PM
 

Tess Wilkins said:

The definition of "clone" according to dictionary.reference.com:
a cell, cell product, or organism that is genetically identical to the unit or individual from which it was derived.

If we are going to eat the animal from which the clone was derived then I see no reason why we should not eat an identical copy to the animal. It is the same animal, same meat, same milk. If such a controversy is going to arise from eating the clone of the original organism, then the same controversy should arise from eating any type of meat.
January 22, 2008 10:22 PM
 

MR said:

Don't want to eat meat that is man made. Their messing with God here!
January 22, 2008 10:24 PM
 

Oscar Garza said:

I think that the consumption of cloned meat is going to become enevitable, due to the scare of any life dangering virus or bacteria that can affect the consumer. These fears will make cloned meat of healthy animals become acceptable and widely accepted.
January 22, 2008 10:24 PM
 

eva ruiz said:

i want labels to say clone or not clone.
January 22, 2008 10:26 PM
 

Kenn said:

God has nothing to do with it.

All meat is "man-made" at this point. You think the selective breeding process is natural? Do you have a dog? We bred them for specific looks and purposes. Is that playing God? You like nice Jersey cow milk? Is that playing god?

That's a hollow argument. Again, aside from a few beginning procedures, it isnt much different than a fertility clinic doing in vitro. The animal is born a natural birth and is grown and nurtured in the womb of a mother cow.

Take religion out and add some common sense to the equation.
January 22, 2008 10:28 PM
 

Kenn said:

This is ridiculous.
The cloning procedure doesnt do anything to alter the dna of the animal. It doesnt introduce any different chemicals. It really isnt THAT much different than in vitro fertilization except instead of mixing sperm and egg and implanting it in the womb, they inject DNA into an empty egg and implant it into the animals womb.

We are not talking about vats of cows growing in a line of incubation chambers. Your talking a cow with the same genetic makeup as its parent clone. They arent any different. They wont taste different and they dont have an different biological or chemical makeup.

Whats the big deal?
January 22, 2008 10:28 PM
 

Timothy said:

Sure WalMart won't sell cloned beef.  The stopped selling all toys "made in China" with lead based paint right?  errr okay how about this...  a gallon of milk is over $4 now.  Once they come out with milk from cloned cows we can pay $6.50 for a gallon of milk from a "certified NON cloned cow".  Perhaps we should care as much about all of the antibiotics & hormones in the beef we've been eating for years.
January 22, 2008 10:31 PM
 

hemphillfarm@wildblue.net said:

I would like to know what "studies "the F.D.A. has done to determine the "safety "of eating cloned foodstuffs? Who has eaten it? And how many years have they followed their long term health to determine their increased incidences of cancers, degenerative diseases, etc.? The answer is 0!
I believe that it should be mandatory they label the items-obviously the reason it is not being required is because the"powers that be" know that consumers can think for themselves and they are afraid we won't be buying the stuff! That would be disasterous for the industry, so they are controlling that factor before it can even have an impact.
As someone involved in production agriculture, I believe that it is ridiculous that it be "voluntary" to identify if any food item is "cloned"- yet according  to the "proposed" N.A.I.S.(National animal identification system), it be REQUIRED that every single animal, whether it be a horse, rabbit, goat, chicken,donkey,cow, etc..be registered ( by the homeowner) with the federal government! (For "tracking purposes").... (Separate topic for your reporters to do a story on)!
January 22, 2008 10:36 PM
 

Breeyan Thomas-acy said:

We should be given an option, and it should be mandatory to label all clone meat.  Also given the time from the first succesful clone animal is it possible  for long-term studies to be conducted? Do we have case studies were cloned meat has been eaten continueously for a long period of time I want to know what the side effects could possible be.  Maybe the study has been done,  we just didn't know it, is that why I can get a fastfood burger for $.99.  Also it is my understanding that clone animals mature at 3 times the rate as a natually conceived animal, and if me and my family are forced to eat clone meat which will be the case if it is not labeled what long term effects will this have on my children as they say you are what you eat.  I just wish the government would stop thinking about quick turn around of a product and start thinking about the health of today and future generations.  Is our environmental issues not enough warning to people  that the things we produce unaturally today causes unatural results later, and that eventually these great ideas come back to hunt us.
January 22, 2008 10:55 PM
 

eric said:

i guess when tthe  day  comes when were cloninng human paarts.  itll be okay to eat tthem for the heck of it.  but  i still  say that i wont b a  cannibal if  i enjoy eating human tongue.  its just cloned
January 22, 2008 11:02 PM
 

Marquise Acy said:

I just want to live and if given not other option I will eat the clone meat.
January 22, 2008 11:08 PM
 

Teri said:

I think I just might have to go vegetarian on this one.  Yeah, with the whole Mad Cow scare of feeding dead sheep to cows, how can the FDA act so quickly?  I feel the public should have a right to choose naturally produced animals or cloned animals to eat.  And I'm just as concerned as to whether or not restaurants will have to declare cloned or not.  If the FDA would just enforce a mandatory label declaring the source, then they would see the public's true interest.  Can't you just see it decades from now...  "And in the news today, CCD (cloned cow disease) has hit epidemic stage.  Lawsuits are amuck against the FDA for allowing cloned animal products to be sold without specific labelling.  And on a similar note, ironically cloned humans are showing absolutely no signs of CCD."  
January 22, 2008 11:51 PM
 

Mel said:

who cares about the FDA I wont eat cloned meat or drink cloned milk because it just seens wrong spiritualy biblicly what gives the FDA, or any one the right The Right the right to play God. We were all Made diffrent and special we were never meant to be mass replicated like movies records we were never intended to play god we need to stay focused on what his plan is and not how much we can do like he does It wont work
January 23, 2008 6:04 AM
 

musickscapes said:

OH PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!  Does it take a persone with above average IQ to understand that the news media is once again making something out of NOTHING!  And the utter stupidity of Wal-mart and HEB's claims to "never sell cloned beef"  At least Target has a voice of reason!  

It's DNA folks...dna is dna is DNA!  There is no funky stuff in it.  It's just DNA.  The DNA from the best of the best.  Once again, nature wins out by showing us that the fittist indeed do survive.  This is one way we can regain the type of top quality food that once was offered.

And my body wont friggin' know the difference between DNA from a naturally born calf vs. the DNA from a 'cloned' calf that is born just like a 'natural' calf.  This calf is began just like any other calf these days, as an artificially inciminated embryo.  It is placed into a good mamma cow, and however many months later there you have it, a calf that will grow up to be a cow, just like her mother!  My body just knows it is beef, nutrition, and good for me, it will never occur to my digestive system to even ask the questoin, is this cloned beef?

I hate to sound ellitist, but really, info-tainment has replaced true news reporting, and creating fear where none should exist.  It would be nice to see real reporting again on the tv news.  A story that instead of putting more fear into the masses, actually informs us of the truth of the matter.  Cloned beef is perfectly fine to eat!  Cloned milk is perfectly fine to drink and keep in mind that cloned products will be made with the best of the best DNA, meaning we get the best of the best in nutritional value.

Lets quit this fearmongering and start reporting the truth!  It really will set us free!
January 23, 2008 7:07 AM
 

AntGoofee said:

The news media sensationalizes everything, it SELLS papers and boosts ratings.  I vote we let the people that do the cloning eat the meat for a 6 month test period.  If they're ok after that, then fine!!    The stores have an obligation to print "Cloned" on the products they sell.   The consumers deserve to know exactly what we are purchasing.   People might think twice before going out to eat in the future, we can't be sure the restaurants care which meat they purchase.  
January 23, 2008 8:36 AM
 

I know it all said:

Yeah, DNA is DNA is DNA.
We know that because we have exhausted all possible venues and theories and have concluded that there is nothing more to DNA than DNA. That settles it, no need for further discussion.  Science has never had to go back and recant a proven theory based on new evidence that could only be seen with new technology or discoveries once thought to be impossible or non existent.

So forget about your miniscule opinion or your heat felt concern because it means nothing except that you are dumb, ignorant or to stubborn to accept the fact that science has and will determine what is best for man kind. After all, science can prove theories, but you - you as a human should not be allowed to use your conscience or what you deem to be your better judgment when it comes to what you eat, drink, take as vaccines, believe or even read.

Come on people wake up. Those scientists that have put their life’s effort into DNA studies know everything about DNA and say it s OK.

...Don’t worry we have everything under control. You will be OK now.
January 23, 2008 9:29 AM
 

Jaina said:

Guys, Ken has the right idea here.  We're not talking about hormones or extra chemicals in the meat, we're talking about clones.  A clone is nothing more than a "late born" twin.  Would you still eat a steer if it had an identical twin?  If so, then why do you care about cloning?  The reason the FDA isn't making them label it is because the meat is IDENTICAL - but people who are ignorant of science and posess no real skills of logic will be scared of it thinking it's Frankenstein meat or something.  

Besides, as another poster already said, cloning is really expensive.  It's much cheaper to just get your slaughter animals the old fashioned way.  They're going to use cloning to reproduce quality breeding bulls and things like that, the ones who have the heathiest offspring. They're not going to spend thousands making the animal and then KILL it for T-bone you can buy for $4.25 a pound.  

On a side note - all you people buying organic milk are silly.  Study after study has proven that labs can not detect any chemical difference between organic milk and non-organic.  Once they're out of the cow, they're identical.  Once again, people freaking out for no good reason just screw up the economy.  
January 23, 2008 10:16 AM
 

Jaina said:

BTW - A pure clone doesn't mature any faster than any other animal.  In order to get them to mature faster you have to add growth hormone.  That is a seperate issue alltogether.  Do your RESEARCH people!  
January 23, 2008 10:20 AM
 

sailor said:

I am glad that some of the persons commenting here can not be cloned...unfortunately they can still reproduce.

Cloning is nothing more than using the same DNA (the bioligical instructions that guide the growth of an animal) from one animal to reproduce an animal with the same characteristics. It does not alter the meat, milk...etc that that animal produces. Hormones, medications and feed are what you need to be aware of and worried about....
January 23, 2008 3:31 PM
 

joyce said:

 As an identical twin(mirror image) I feel like I have been cloned and I am perfectly alright,healthy and a vibrant 64 yr old woman,lol.
January 23, 2008 4:04 PM
 

True Believer said:

Any attempt to tinker with the work of Almighty God is an affront to God and an attack upon Him.  This is just another part of the greater plot against God, Jesus and Christianity by the followers and minions of Satan.  Why in the world would anyone want to clone cows?  We can get plenty the old fashioned way.  Any rational thinking Christian should be able to see there is no sense in it, but they want to do it anyway.  It must be clear that there is some dark force at work here and I say--IT IS THE DEVIL!

This is nothing more than a 21st century Golden Calf.  We've got to put a stop to this nonsense right now and quick before it gets out of hand.  It is time for our lily livered political leadership to stand up and shout STOP!  

Let me be perfectly clear about this:  This sort of activity is a one way express ticket straight to Hell!

I first heard about this abomination today shortly before I met with my good friend Reverend Hagee for our usual Wednesday prayer luncheon.  I was so upset I could hardly consume my meal.  Brother Hagee, stalwart Christian Crusader that he is, was unfazed by this most recent attack and ate with his usual reassuring gusto.  We all had a nice small salad of mixed greens with a light creamy garlic dressing that was just delicious.  That was followed by a rich, tasty lobster bisque and a crusty loaf topped with Asiago cheese that Chef baked just this morning.  It was fabulous as usual.  We unanimously voted to forgo dessert in memory of  Dr. Martin Luther King.  Brother Hagee assured us that this was just one of the Satanic fads that passes through with such stomach churning regularity and it will soon blow over because the public will see through it.  I hope he's right.  The work of the Devil is all around us as it is and I'd hate to have to watch out for him in my hamburger.
January 23, 2008 4:39 PM
 

43 said:

Ha ha. I was waiting for you to rear your ugly head True Believer. Nice to hear from you. Well not really. True Believer, you are a phony.
January 23, 2008 4:44 PM
 

cg said:

you may not want to succumb to the man made cows true believer but i bet you salad, unless it was organic,  has been tainted to with all types of man made chemicals to grow nicely green, juicy and ripe for you
January 23, 2008 5:09 PM
 

Tom Okarma said:

There is a serious downside to these new fangled cloned animals.  All of them, bar none, die early, as if they were old when they were borned.  Maybe it's safe to eat something that doesn't live as long as a naturally bred animal, but maybe it's not.  I will let someone else find out before I do it.  I don't want to eat some cloned meat and then start getting wrinkles while my hairs turn white and fall out.  That would be gross.



January 23, 2008 5:14 PM
 

bc said:

Man is trying to be god and there is only one who fits that; Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

It is not right to hide clone meat, milk, etc. from the public because leads us to believe there something wrong with it.  We should have a choice if we want to buy that product line.
January 23, 2008 6:43 PM
 

Dodie Lee said:

It's plain and simple: CLONING IS A SIN! It's not natural, and it can only be the work of the devil. You can use all the scientific terms you want, but cloning is nothing but black magic witchcraft, which is overseen by satan himself. If it's more than what's natural, it's supernatural.

Now, if you eat the meat of one of these satanic beasts, you are eating the flesh and blood of the devil. Therefore, this is an unforgivable sin against God. Simply put, Jesus will burn you in hell for it forever. Don't touch or even go anywhere near a cloned beast or its dead flesh if you have any regard for your everlasting soul. Not only that, it's probably been poisoned anyway, and eating it will make you really sick. All this cloning stuff is simply part of the war that's going on between our sweet lord and the devil's people.

Cloned animals are nothing but abominations brought on by the devil, and they are perversions of true life. Stay away from those animals! You couldn't be so hungry that you think you have to eat one of them. Go look in the ice box and find something decent to eat.
January 23, 2008 8:25 PM
 

Kenn said:

Alright... so aside form the sensational claims of "Clones mature 3 times faster" and "clones die early!" which are complete rubbish. (DO SOME RESEARCH!) The only argument left is Christianity.

right.. thats a great argument against cloning... and Im a freakin Christian.

Seriously people. Playing God? We arent creating anything here. We arent spontaneously creating different life forms. We are copying one with our technology. Just like we speed up and control evolution with controlled breeding and hormone therapy.

I wonder if you even listen to yourselves. Its a SIN and its the DEVILS work. I think too much televangelist mysti-babble late at night and not enough actually researching and thinking for yourselves here.

We weren't meant to fly, but we do that. We weren't meant to go into space, but we sure did that. We weren't meant to see into the deepest depths of the sea, we do that on a daily basis. Hell we can eve release the energy of the sun on the face of this planet (thermonuclear weapons for you slow ones at home) we probably weren't meant to do that.

But all that is cool right? Just as long as we dont copy some cows we should be good.

That argument is... absurd.

Xerox me a cow, figure out how to fax it to my grill and light the charcoal.
January 23, 2008 10:51 PM
 

Kenn said:

Oh and Dodie Lee... you are a serious nut job.
January 23, 2008 10:52 PM
 

Dodie Lee said:

Look. God provides us everything we need to get by and to nourish ourselves. If you really need an extra cow, they're easy to come by the NATURAL way. Our pastures out here where I live are full of them, and the ranchers don't have to use any hocus pocus to make them.

I am a Christian woman, who trusts in our lord for everything, but I'm also one with a bit of experience and common sense under my belt. Even if there was nothing sinful (and there is plenty sinful) about a cow begotten by unnatural means, just think about what it would take to clone one of them. It would require chemicals and processes which are just out of place for a human body.

Just imagine what kinds of diseases and other health issues this has the potential to cause. We're already at risk of cancer and all sorts of other problems caused by the hormones and other chemicals used to "improve" the foods we eat. This is happening because these scientists don't fully understand the implications of what they do. Just because they can make clones doesn't mean that they understand everything that makes this process work including the risks and dangers involved.

You might think my Christian theories are simple and too easy to rely on, but I promise you, most of these scientists knowlege of what they're really doing doesn't add up to any more than what I know. Playing around with the unknown is dangerous and not to be taken lightly! Not only does it put lives at stake, it endangers eternal souls!
January 23, 2008 11:29 PM
 

brandon said:

Listen god is man made, so is cloned meat it doesnt matter, everyone will have their opinion, if you dont want to eat cloned meat, then dont buy cloned leather shoes, leather belts, leather pants or anything made out of leather, whether it be in your car or not. If you are a stickler for that then before you buy your upper class car make sure that leather isnt from a cloned animal. otherwise, ill be saving my money to go to the local cloned meat market and buying up all the BEEF i can buy
January 24, 2008 1:38 PM
 

43 said:

Dodie Lee and common sense do not go together. Im with Brandon. If there is something wrong with the meat, Oh well, I had a good run.
January 24, 2008 5:03 PM
 

brandon said:

see me an 43 see eye to eye, if you are all about natural beef, then dont get anything man made, that would make you a nature freak and you will be living in the trees, ever heard of mad cow disease, was that man made, nope at least i dont think so, though i may be wrong. I was in europe when the mad cow disease broke out, what did i do, i still ate beef, as long as it was cooked at the right tempeture, everything was cooked out, e coli is that natural yep, with the genetics they can take out those diseases and make it to where the cloned beef wont be able to get that.
January 24, 2008 5:39 PM
 

Dodie Lee said:

You speak of all those hot temperatures required to cook such abominations to make it fit to eat. Trust me, they are NOTHING compared to the temperatures your eternal soul is going to face in hell for your flagrant sins. If you mess with that evil stuff, Jesus is going to burn you in hell forever!

Only the devil's people would associate themselves with the flesh of such a beast. Cloning comes straight from hell, and if you mess with the fallout that goes with it, you will suffer the consequences that go with it, including all the plagues and pestilences that afflict your worldly body, and the eternal damnation of your soul. STAY AWAY FROM THIS STUFF! PERIOD!
January 24, 2008 11:39 PM
 

teri said:

Brandon, you can't cook out mad cow disease.  In fact, if you die from mad cow disease, your family will have much much much difficulty finding anyone to prep your body for funeral, whether it be coffin or cremation.  The mutated protein cannot be killed by heat, even cremation heat!  

And God is man made?  You must be an athiest!  Which, I can respect your view as long as you respect me and my right to Christian faith.  I believe if God wanted us to have more cows, He would provide, not man!  Therefore, based on my belief, I should have the right to choose which meat to eat, which would be God made.


January 24, 2008 11:41 PM
 

Teri said:

Everyone, I respect your right and choice to eat cloned meat.  My perspective is that I don't feel the FDA should allow the labels to not declare it.  

My concern is that the FDA has overlooked a group of folks who, until now, have made a choice to eat, or not eat, foods based on their religious belief.  For those folks who feel it is ethically wrong to eat cloned meat, they will not only be denied their right to choose what they eat, but also be forced to reduce the foods they eat because they will not know if the beef, or pork, or chicken, was God made or man made.  They will be forced into a vegeterian lifestyle which may not be their original choice.  

This is America, home of the free.  If I have the right to vote who runs my country, and as long as I still have the freedom to choose my religion, I should also have the right to choose which type of meat to eat.

Bottom line is, it should be the public's choice, not the FDA's choice.  So, fine FDA, go ahead and declare the cloned meat safe to eat.  But also enforce labeling for the sake of those who choose not to eat it based on their religious beliefs.
January 24, 2008 11:46 PM
 

waldo said:

brandon, kenn, and 43--you better listen to teri and dodie lee. they are right about all the cancer and hell. i dont know of anybody who has went to hell but i do know people who have died of cancer. going to hell could not be as bad a dying of cancer. i think dodie is right about all the chemicals and the scientists not knowing everything they are working with.
January 24, 2008 11:47 PM
 

B said:

KL-
You are the master.
January 25, 2008 4:38 PM
 

Proverbs 32 said:

This comment is replying to Dodie Lee, teri and waldo. Brandon, kenn and 43, you all don't need to worry about what Dodie said. We can eat cloned meat because Jesus personally has okay that one in the Bible. As well as there is nowhere in the Bible saying that "cloning is wrong".

Matthew 15:1-20, verse 11:
What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

Read Mark 7:1-23 as well.

Romans 14:14 (NIV) "As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food [ Or that nothing] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean."

Jesus did not come to Earth to judge and condemn people. Jesus came to save us. He would not enjoy "cooking" people in Hell. God is a merciful God. Plus He would not send us to Hell for eating cloned meat. Cloning, like breeding, is men's work, through God's power and blessing, to allow us to use technology to improve the quality of the meat and food that we will be eating. The scientist didn't not create the animals from scratch; they are using exactly the same DNA that the Lord has made from the beginning, just grafting in plant. It is the same concept as God told Jacob to pick and separate the sheep, lambs and goats. (Genesis 30:25-43)

One day in the future, when we eat cloned meat, we should give thanks to the Lord for the blessing of cloning.
January 26, 2008 6:27 PM
 

Dodie Lee said:

Fortunately for our sweet Jesus, he didn't have to contend with greedy food producers injecting his food with hormones and other chemicals whose names even he could not pronounce. It's amazing that our lord's contemporaries  weren't at risk for uncountable strains of cancer as today's people are. How many Biblical mastectomies can you recall?

In an effort to make food bigger, better, more plentiful, and even more attractive, the food industry is killing off its very consumers. If you can't see absolute sin here, you are blind! I'd tell you to go ahead and eat that trash, but I'm a Christian woman who will not promote the devil's black arts even for the hardest sinners.
January 27, 2008 1:51 AM
 

brandon said:

when did religeon dictate how we need meat to survive name one vegetarian that lived to be 100 I've never heard of it I still respect people and their religeons but this is not the church nor your house you  are entitled to your own opinion but this by no means should be dictated by any religeon it should be by choice if jesus made every thing in his own image we would have no cancer no aids no herpes (sorry that's funny) and we wouldn't have any diseases that wipe out populations. choice should be used taste it once if you don't like it don't eat it much like tv programming if you don't like it you can change it. choice not religeon I've got my weber ready for dolly the cloned steak rib eye now    
January 27, 2008 4:39 PM
 

Teri said:

Brandon, that's the exact point.  CHOICE!  Fine, taste it, if you don't like it, don't eat it.  But then how does one go back to non-cloned beef when the labels don't dictate what type of beef it is?  

Doesn't beef taste different if it's corn fed or grass fed?  So now you produce an exact duplicate of a cow and claim it's going to be the same taste.  You cannot say that because it also depends on what that cow eats.

BTW, has anyone read the FDA documents on this?  There is still a problem with determining the safety of cloned sheep meat.  Gee, shouldn't that say something?  

If cloning is so ethically wrong for humans, then what makes it ethically right for animals?  And since when are we in a meat shortage to take on this method for additional food?  Last I heard, America is FAT!  

Are any other countries allowing cloned meat to be put on the shelf for human consumption?  NO!  Will this now cause a ban on international exports?  Perhaps.  

I have no problem with the FDA claiming the cloned meat is safe to eat.  My problem is that it is my choice to eat or not eat cloned meat and the FDA is taking that choice away by not mandating proper labeling.  Hello, who would have thought we'd have recalls on spinach, green onions, pet food, and candy?  At least with proper labelling we can trace back the source of the problem.  Where's the traceability with cloned meat?  NONE!!  NADA.  

I have no problem with the FDA declaring certain foods as safe to eat. IE cow's tongue, pig's feet, liver, hormone added foods, organic foods, etc.  I CHOOSE not to eat some of them.  

It's flat wrong for the FDA to allow such a safety claim without taking into consideration the entire public and what their CHOICE should be.  The public should have a choice in cloned meat or not cloned meat.  Not, meat or vegetarian diets.

January 27, 2008 10:29 PM
 

Proverbs 32 said:

Dodie, you are right in the speaking of the hormone thing. It is not the cloning that may have effect on us. It is the hormones and other chemicals they use. For brandon, the Lord didn't not make us to have herpes or diseases. Sickness were inflicted since human being tried out doing weird things. That's what in the Bible specifically saying "do not have sex with animals" and "do not eat certain animals", and some knucklehead won't listen and they started to have diseases, herpes and AIDS. From that time on, Illnesses have been within human communities. I personally don't mind eating hormoned meat, the hidden risk is there but quite minimal comparing to air pollution. Cloned meat w/o hormones is fine. I think that cloning is not quite necessary since the current breeding method has been working fine. The DNA of the bred of cattle are so close to be identical or "cloned". If people concern about hormoned/cloned product. Then, they should buy some cattle and start their own breed process. Lots of my friends have been doing that for many years. The meat is actually better than the one you can get from the store.
January 28, 2008 4:47 PM
 

43 said:

Waldo, Your a fricken idiot. If you actually side with a moron like Dodie, you should take her and walk off a cliff together. Not all, but most you religous nuts dont believe in science anyways so ofcourse you would think that they dont know what there doing. Guess what, the meat will be in the store, you wont know, you will eat it, you will end up in hell like the rest of us just like you say.
January 29, 2008 9:45 AM
 

brandon said:

if you are an aethiest what do you eat, if you are protestant what do you eat, if you are catholic, what do you eat, no where in the  bible that i know does it say not to  eat cloned meat, unless there is a King James version of the bible that i dont know about, what do lutherans eat, once again, why should religion dictate what what you eat, everyone is claiming religion, but when you have barely any muscles and can barely walk cause you stopped eating meat  whether it be real meat or from a genitically superior animal.  i just read above that the author of this article, just switched to organic milk, and he might make the switch to organic beef.  Well isnt beef organic. last time i checked i never saw an artificle cow. Please people you can protest, outside all beef facilities, but when you do that, you might put people out of a job, and while you are pickiting, you arent getting paid for that any way, you m ight be standing up for what you believe in, but you are slowing the economy by not working. by doing that, you will put us in the same situation the economy is in now, 3 dollars for gas, 4 dollars for 2% milk which is due to the alternative fuels making the price of corn to rise. (check on that)
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